Discussion:
AT&T's Filters, Lies & Financial Statements
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jim
2008-01-31 01:20:18 UTC
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"AT&T argues that it must get involved in stopping the flow of pirated
content because much of this content is shared using peer-to-peer protocols,
which eats up valuable network bandwidth, slowing network connections for
many of its customers." -
http://www.news.com/Should-ATT-police-the-Internet/2100-1034_3-6226523.html

Really?

AT&T has never even tried a metered solution. Why not charge people for the
amount of bandwidth that they use? That's fair (even if unpopular among us
P2P users).

"I can't see why filtering traffic would be of interest to AT&T," said Tim
Wu, a law professor at Columbia University and an Internet pundit. "AT&T
spent six years and millions of dollars lobbying for a law so they wouldn't
have to filter for copyrighted material on their network. And now they want
to do it."

I'll tell you why. They make more money keeping people in the dark. They
make more money off the backs of lemmings who pay for a 3Mb/s DSL line to
check email and text message their friends than they would if the users were
actually told how much bandwidth they were using and charged accordingly.

This isn't about bandwidth usage. If it were, they'd adopt a metered
solution or simply invest just a tiny portion of their $11.951 BILLION in
net profits for 2007 in a higher speed network. After all, if Charter can
invent a 150 MB/s cable modem, surely AT&T can get us to 15 MB/s.....can't
they?

To further understand the disingenuousness (is that a word?) of AT&T's
comments, just look at their financials.

Instead of innovating and investing some of their ~$12 BILLION NET PROFIT in
2007 in higher bandwidth technologies and networks (like the 33Mb/s common
lines in homes in Japan) AT&T wants to cut service while maintaining rates.
(Look under Financials>Net Income>2007(Annual) at
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T to see their ~$12 BILLION of
*reported* profits for yourself.)

Isn't there something illegal about selling me a 3Mb/s DSL line, and then
throttling it so that I am not getting the 3Mb/s I am paying for?

I think it is. In fact, I am going to talk to some attorneys tomorrow and
just see if any of them are interested in looking into a class action
lawsuit to "stem the flow" of this behavior by AT&T and others.

I can't be sure, but I'm sure at least one of them would jump at the chance
to look into it. What attorney wouldn't?

What do ya think? ~$12 BILLION in profits, but the lines are overburdened?
REALLY? And what will they want us to buy into next?

jim
Kevpan Wackinstein
2008-01-31 02:09:54 UTC
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Seems like you have too much time on your hands. Who really cares what AT&T
will do. We are here in the vista.general group for fun and entertainment,
not to worry about what AT&T does.

YAWN.

Now go reformat your PC and install Ubuntu.

Just FYI
Post by jim
"AT&T argues that it must get involved in stopping the flow of pirated
content because much of this content is shared using peer-to-peer
protocols, which eats up valuable network bandwidth, slowing network
connections for many of its customers." -
http://www.news.com/Should-ATT-police-the-Internet/2100-1034_3-6226523.html
Really?
AT&T has never even tried a metered solution. Why not charge people for
the amount of bandwidth that they use? That's fair (even if unpopular
among us P2P users).
"I can't see why filtering traffic would be of interest to AT&T," said Tim
Wu, a law professor at Columbia University and an Internet pundit. "AT&T
spent six years and millions of dollars lobbying for a law so they
wouldn't have to filter for copyrighted material on their network. And now
they want to do it."
I'll tell you why. They make more money keeping people in the dark. They
make more money off the backs of lemmings who pay for a 3Mb/s DSL line to
check email and text message their friends than they would if the users
were actually told how much bandwidth they were using and charged
accordingly.
This isn't about bandwidth usage. If it were, they'd adopt a metered
solution or simply invest just a tiny portion of their $11.951 BILLION in
net profits for 2007 in a higher speed network. After all, if Charter can
invent a 150 MB/s cable modem, surely AT&T can get us to 15 MB/s.....can't
they?
To further understand the disingenuousness (is that a word?) of AT&T's
comments, just look at their financials.
Instead of innovating and investing some of their ~$12 BILLION NET PROFIT
in 2007 in higher bandwidth technologies and networks (like the 33Mb/s
common lines in homes in Japan) AT&T wants to cut service while
maintaining rates. (Look under Financials>Net Income>2007(Annual) at
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T to see their ~$12 BILLION of
*reported* profits for yourself.)
Isn't there something illegal about selling me a 3Mb/s DSL line, and then
throttling it so that I am not getting the 3Mb/s I am paying for?
I think it is. In fact, I am going to talk to some attorneys tomorrow and
just see if any of them are interested in looking into a class action
lawsuit to "stem the flow" of this behavior by AT&T and others.
I can't be sure, but I'm sure at least one of them would jump at the
chance to look into it. What attorney wouldn't?
What do ya think? ~$12 BILLION in profits, but the lines are overburdened?
REALLY? And what will they want us to buy into next?
jim
Colin Barnhorst
2008-01-31 02:25:29 UTC
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I agree. It's more like a blog anyway.
Post by Kevpan Wackinstein
Seems like you have too much time on your hands. Who really cares what
AT&T will do. We are here in the vista.general group for fun and
entertainment, not to worry about what AT&T does.
YAWN.
Now go reformat your PC and install Ubuntu.
Just FYI
Post by jim
"AT&T argues that it must get involved in stopping the flow of pirated
content because much of this content is shared using peer-to-peer
protocols, which eats up valuable network bandwidth, slowing network
connections for many of its customers." -
http://www.news.com/Should-ATT-police-the-Internet/2100-1034_3-6226523.html
Really?
AT&T has never even tried a metered solution. Why not charge people for
the amount of bandwidth that they use? That's fair (even if unpopular
among us P2P users).
"I can't see why filtering traffic would be of interest to AT&T," said
Tim Wu, a law professor at Columbia University and an Internet pundit.
"AT&T spent six years and millions of dollars lobbying for a law so they
wouldn't have to filter for copyrighted material on their network. And
now they want to do it."
I'll tell you why. They make more money keeping people in the dark. They
make more money off the backs of lemmings who pay for a 3Mb/s DSL line to
check email and text message their friends than they would if the users
were actually told how much bandwidth they were using and charged
accordingly.
This isn't about bandwidth usage. If it were, they'd adopt a metered
solution or simply invest just a tiny portion of their $11.951 BILLION in
net profits for 2007 in a higher speed network. After all, if Charter
can invent a 150 MB/s cable modem, surely AT&T can get us to 15
MB/s.....can't they?
To further understand the disingenuousness (is that a word?) of AT&T's
comments, just look at their financials.
Instead of innovating and investing some of their ~$12 BILLION NET PROFIT
in 2007 in higher bandwidth technologies and networks (like the 33Mb/s
common lines in homes in Japan) AT&T wants to cut service while
maintaining rates. (Look under Financials>Net Income>2007(Annual) at
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T to see their ~$12 BILLION of
*reported* profits for yourself.)
Isn't there something illegal about selling me a 3Mb/s DSL line, and then
throttling it so that I am not getting the 3Mb/s I am paying for?
I think it is. In fact, I am going to talk to some attorneys tomorrow and
just see if any of them are interested in looking into a class action
lawsuit to "stem the flow" of this behavior by AT&T and others.
I can't be sure, but I'm sure at least one of them would jump at the
chance to look into it. What attorney wouldn't?
What do ya think? ~$12 BILLION in profits, but the lines are
overburdened? REALLY? And what will they want us to buy into next?
jim
Lloyd Finkerstein
2008-01-31 02:31:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by jim
"AT&T argues that it must get involved in stopping the flow of pirated
content because much of this content is shared using peer-to-peer
protocols, which eats up valuable network bandwidth, slowing network
connections for many of its customers." -
http://www.news.com/Should-ATT-police-the-Internet/2100-1034_3-6226523.html
Really?
AT&T has never even tried a metered solution. Why not charge people for
the amount of bandwidth that they use? That's fair (even if unpopular
among us P2P users).
"I can't see why filtering traffic would be of interest to AT&T," said
Tim Wu, a law professor at Columbia University and an Internet pundit.
"AT&T spent six years and millions of dollars lobbying for a law so they
wouldn't have to filter for copyrighted material on their network. And
now they want to do it."
I'll tell you why. They make more money keeping people in the dark. They
make more money off the backs of lemmings who pay for a 3Mb/s DSL line to
check email and text message their friends than they would if the users
were actually told how much bandwidth they were using and charged
accordingly.
This isn't about bandwidth usage. If it were, they'd adopt a metered
solution or simply invest just a tiny portion of their $11.951 BILLION in
net profits for 2007 in a higher speed network. After all, if Charter
can invent a 150 MB/s cable modem, surely AT&T can get us to 15
MB/s.....can't they?
To further understand the disingenuousness (is that a word?) of AT&T's
comments, just look at their financials.
Instead of innovating and investing some of their ~$12 BILLION NET PROFIT
in 2007 in higher bandwidth technologies and networks (like the 33Mb/s
common lines in homes in Japan) AT&T wants to cut service while
maintaining rates. (Look under Financials>Net Income>2007(Annual) at
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T to see their ~$12 BILLION of
*reported* profits for yourself.)
Isn't there something illegal about selling me a 3Mb/s DSL line, and then
throttling it so that I am not getting the 3Mb/s I am paying for?
I think it is. In fact, I am going to talk to some attorneys tomorrow and
just see if any of them are interested in looking into a class action
lawsuit to "stem the flow" of this behavior by AT&T and others.
I can't be sure, but I'm sure at least one of them would jump at the
chance to look into it. What attorney wouldn't?
What do ya think? ~$12 BILLION in profits, but the lines are
overburdened? REALLY? And what will they want us to buy into next?
jim
Yeah - go talk to your lawyer. Tell him your screwball COLA theory of why
they should be sued . Being a lawyer can be hard work. I'm sure he'll
appreciate the good laugh.
--
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On the Road to Damascus
2008-02-01 00:31:04 UTC
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Post by jim
AT&T wants to cut service while maintaining rates.
In the mid nineties they decided it was okay to change their unlimited
dial up plans to I think 50 hours a month. I think that bright idea
was scrapped 2 or 3 months later.
HeyBub
2008-02-01 14:55:20 UTC
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Post by jim
Instead of innovating and investing some of their ~$12 BILLION NET
PROFIT in 2007 in higher bandwidth technologies and networks (like
the 33Mb/s common lines in homes in Japan) AT&T wants to cut service
while maintaining rates. (Look under Financials>Net
Income>2007(Annual) at http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T to
see their ~$12 BILLION of *reported* profits for yourself.)
$12 billion on total assets of $270.6 billion.

A piddly 4% ROI.

You're lucky they don't go completely out of business and leave you with
nothing but a 'phone cord.

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