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Robert Miles
2008-05-14 08:32:54 UTC
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Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?

Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
Starkiller
2008-05-14 11:48:06 UTC
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards


Starkiller
Robert Miles
2008-05-14 11:52:26 UTC
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Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
JDa™©
2008-05-14 12:48:25 UTC
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Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000, Starkiller
is using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird 2.0.0.14
(Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also there is
alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!

Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then "Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
Robert Miles
2008-05-14 15:25:38 UTC
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Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000, Starkiller is
using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird 2.0.0.14
(Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also there is
alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!
Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then
"Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
I did. It didn't help. alt.binaries.food.sushi shows up, though.

Looks like I'll have to try installing another newsreader program, such as
Windows Live Mail, to see it that helps.
FACE
2008-05-14 16:19:38 UTC
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From "Robert Miles" <***@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>,
on Wed, 14 May 2008 10:25:38 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000, Starkiller is
using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird 2.0.0.14
(Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also there is
alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!
Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then
"Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
I did. It didn't help. alt.binaries.food.sushi shows up, though.
Looks like I'll have to try installing another newsreader program, such as
Windows Live Mail, to see it that helps.
For what its worth, alt.binaries food is right between
alt.binaries.fontscomp and alt.binaries.sushi.

Just for funsies, you can grab freeagent and download groups for
verification.

FACE
usablevirus
2008-05-14 22:21:29 UTC
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Post by Robert Miles
Post by JDa™©
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000,
Starkiller is using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird
2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also
there is alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!
Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then
"Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
I did. It didn't help. alt.binaries.food.sushi shows up, though.
Looks like I'll have to try installing another newsreader program,
such as Windows Live Mail, to see it that helps.
have you tried to add the group manually?
Robert Miles
2008-05-15 01:42:38 UTC
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Post by usablevirus
Post by Robert Miles
Post by JDa™©
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000,
Starkiller is using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird
2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also
there is alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!
Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then
"Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
I did. It didn't help. alt.binaries.food.sushi shows up, though.
Looks like I'll have to try installing another newsreader program,
such as Windows Live Mail, to see it that helps.
have you tried to add the group manually?
Yes. No useful results. Also, I just tried a disk search for all of
my user's files containing alt.food.binaries, and the search reported
about 70 files, but I wasn't able to find it in any of these files.

This suggests there's also a bug in the search program, since it
should have at least found the last few messages mentioning it,
and if the newsgroups list for the bellsouth.net server is in ASCII,
it should have found both it and alt.binaries.food.sushi there.
FACE
2008-05-15 03:01:02 UTC
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From "Robert Miles" <***@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>,
on Wed, 14 May 2008 20:42:38 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by usablevirus
Post by Robert Miles
Post by JDa™©
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Lets see, your using Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000,
Starkiller is using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, I'm using Thunderbird
2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) and I see alt.binaries.food as well. Also
there is alt.binaries.food.sushi for your enjoyment!
Since your on Vista running Windows Mail, go to "Tools" folder then
"Newgroups" and select "Reset List".
Once its reset, key food in the search window, and vow-ala good eats.......
I did. It didn't help. alt.binaries.food.sushi shows up, though.
Looks like I'll have to try installing another newsreader program,
such as Windows Live Mail, to see it that helps.
have you tried to add the group manually?
Yes. No useful results. Also, I just tried a disk search for all of
my user's files containing alt.food.binaries, and the search reported
about 70 files, but I wasn't able to find it in any of these files.
This suggests there's also a bug in the search program, since it
should have at least found the last few messages mentioning it,
and if the newsgroups list for the bellsouth.net server is in ASCII,
it should have found both it and alt.binaries.food.sushi there.
Well, keep in mind that even if BS downloads it in ASCII, it might be
transmogrified into a proprietary format by Windows mail.........


Come to think of it, it has to come down in a MIME format and be translated
from there........ (Hey, Dennis, correct me as needed)

FACE
FACE
2008-05-14 13:27:36 UTC
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From "Robert Miles" <***@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>,
on Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:26 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Robert please let us know your results. Was it some filter in Windows Mail?
Or what?

So far as I know, the server's newsgroup 'manifest' is little more than a
downloaded list.

FACE
Robert Miles
2008-05-14 15:30:20 UTC
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Post by FACE
on Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:26 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Robert please let us know your results. Was it some filter in Windows Mail?
Or what?
So far as I know, the server's newsgroup 'manifest' is little more than a
downloaded list.
FACE
I suspect it's a bug in Windows Mail. I haven't tried to create any filter
(message rule) to block it and I haven't seen any sign of being able to
create a message rule that blocks newsgroup names from appearing in
that list.
FACE
2008-05-14 16:11:14 UTC
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From "Robert Miles" <***@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>,
on Wed, 14 May 2008 10:30:20 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by FACE
on Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:26 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Robert please let us know your results. Was it some filter in Windows Mail?
Or what?
So far as I know, the server's newsgroup 'manifest' is little more than a
downloaded list.
FACE
I suspect it's a bug in Windows Mail. I haven't tried to create any filter
(message rule) to block it and I haven't seen any sign of being able to
create a message rule that blocks newsgroup names from appearing in
that list.
Interesting. Somewhere on your harddisk that list has to exist as a
physical file. Mine (Forte Agent) is a readable file called Groups.dat. At
least a million to one, yours will not be called that and may or may not be
easily readable. But it is somewhere, called something.

Does anyone know the name of the physical file for the newsgroups list in
Windows' Mail and where it is located? (Google was not overly helpful)

Robert, if you can bring that file into wordpad or something, you can search
it to see if it has the newsgroup in it. Then, with that new knowledge and
89 cents, Waffle House will give you a cup of coffee.

FACE
Robert Miles
2008-05-14 16:30:19 UTC
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Post by FACE
on Wed, 14 May 2008 10:30:20 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by FACE
on Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:26 -0500
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Regards
Starkiller
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Robert please let us know your results. Was it some filter in Windows Mail?
Or what?
So far as I know, the server's newsgroup 'manifest' is little more than a
downloaded list.
FACE
I suspect it's a bug in Windows Mail. I haven't tried to create any filter
(message rule) to block it and I haven't seen any sign of being able to
create a message rule that blocks newsgroup names from appearing in
that list.
Interesting. Somewhere on your harddisk that list has to exist as a
physical file. Mine (Forte Agent) is a readable file called Groups.dat.
At
least a million to one, yours will not be called that and may or may not be
easily readable. But it is somewhere, called something.
Does anyone know the name of the physical file for the newsgroups list in
Windows' Mail and where it is located? (Google was not overly helpful)
Robert, if you can bring that file into wordpad or something, you can search
it to see if it has the newsgroup in it. Then, with that new knowledge and
89 cents, Waffle House will give you a cup of coffee.
FACE
I'll ask in the microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail newsgroup, which is the
best place I've found to find experts on the Windows Mail program.
Starkiller
2008-05-14 21:04:54 UTC
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:26 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Post by Starkiller
On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:32:54 -0500, "Robert Miles"
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
It's allready there. Shows up on my groups list and I haven't
refreshed the list in a while.
Which newsreader program are you using that sees it?
Forte Agent ver 2.0
Regards


Starkiller
jen
2008-05-16 13:55:15 UTC
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Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
Found in my archives...

07-25-2007
Dennis Crandall

Re: Some Groups missing?
Post by Robert Miles
Using windows Vista Windows mail, after receiving a full listing of
available groups on bellsouth.net and giganews, I cannot subscirbe to
alt.binaries.food. I know the group is there on the servers but it is
not showing up in the list of available groups. Using any other
client, I can find and subscribe to this group.
The following steps are a temporary work-around for this bug, which we
have submitted to Microsoft;

1) Remove newsgroups account from WindowsMail.
2) Remake your newsgroup accouont in Windows Mail.
DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE LIST OF GROUPS!
3) Click on Start, then Run.
4) In the text box, type:
news://addressof.your.newsISP/alt.binaries.food and hit enter.
(This will open up the group in Windows Mail.)
5) Right-click on the groupname in the left panel, then left-click on
Subscibe in the dropdown menu.
6) Repeat steps 3 -5 for any other groups that you have this same
problem with.
7) Now you can download the list from the server and proceed like
normal.

Again, this is a temporary fix until Microsoft fixes the bug.

Dennis Crandall
Newsmaster - News Wrangler
at&t Southeast

HTH,
-jen
Folk
2008-05-16 17:50:33 UTC
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Post by jen
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's happening.
Found in my archives...
That jen... always with the right answer. Jolly good show!
jen
2008-05-16 22:17:29 UTC
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Post by Folk
Post by jen
Post by Robert Miles
Is alt.binaries.food already on the server? If not, could you add it?
Some people using Windows Mail under Vista seem to think that
Windows Mail can't see it, and I'd like to make sure what's
happening.
Found in my archives...
That jen... always with the right answer. Jolly good show!
It was Dennis' right answer :) He was kind enough to contact MS for
it... but thanks any way <g>

-jen

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